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I don't know if this woman is breaking any laws, but I know that what she is doing isn't right. I have emailed the humane society and the OSPCA but have not gotten any responce yet. If anything can be done, let me know. This is what happened.
On Feb 23, I put my 3 ferrets up for sale on a classifieds site. That day, a woman responed via email. She told me that she loved ferrets. That she missed her past ferrets. She told me she wanted them to stay together. She told me they would only be in a cage for 3 hours a day. She told me everything I wanted to hear. She even told me she wanted me to petsit them the weekend of the 23rd of March. I thought everything about her sounded great. She asked if i was asking $50 each. I told her I was, but that I was willing to lower the price if they were going to the same home. I told her I didn't care about the money, I just wanted them to go to a good home. We agreed on the price of $100 for them all. She told me she would pay me for them via e-tranfer the day she is paid (Feb 29th, and she did pay.) and that she would come pick them up on Saterday March 3rd. All of that week we chatted back and forth on facebook and though emails about the ferrets. I desided during the week that I would give her all of their stuff free of charge so it would stay with the ferrets, it uncluded food, some toys, and some expecive custom made bedding sets that I designed and ordered online. (about $200 worth) I was so sure that they were going to a good home, that I told her on March 2 that I had changed my mind about selling her their cage along with them. I wanted them to be in a familliar place. I was planning to keep it because it is a huge and expencive cage (worth about $300 new). I told her I was willing to sell it to her for $150. I told her it was ok if she wanted to wait until March 14th to pay, but the sooner the better. She agreed. On march 3 she told me that the was giving her hedgehog someone and was going to pick up my ferrets after that. She arrived at my apartment in the early afternoon. She told me that she had a Basset Hound that she just pick up in the back seat. She got my ferrets and their things. She left the cage and told me her friend would be back later that day to pick it up. They did a few hours later. Everything was fine until the morning of Monday March 5th. She put an ad on the webiste that morning about selling one of the ferrets for $50. I was upset, she only had them for 2 days and was trying to sell one without contacting me to ask if I wanted him back. I sent her a facebook message asking why she was selling him and went to work. When I returned home, I noticed she deleted the message. I sent her a text trying to figure out what was going on. She said he bit her and she was scared. I told her he is very scared in his new place and that he just needed time to relax and adjust. I said I would like to take them back if she didnt want them or it wasnt working out. She told me she would try it out. The next morning I checked the website and saw that 2 of them were up for 100 dollars. (I sold her 3 for 100) I told her that I didn't know what was going on. That I wanted them all back because I wanted them all to stay together. She wouldn't respond to my texts. (I looked though her facebook pictures and noticed that I saw a lot of her other pets as ads on the website. That is when I realised she must buy peoles pets and sell them all the time... But more on that later.) A few hours later she blocked me on facebook. My fiance called her, she said she had some friends over and would call me back. A half an hour later she text me saying that she sold them. I said to her that I sold them to her so that would stay together. She said that they were already gone and that all of their things went with them. She said that I would get my money on the 14th like we agreed. I asked her if this whole thing was just a ploy to make money. She answered how do you think I made money? oh my god stop harassing me. I told her if she wasnt in it to make money she would have given them back. I told her that what she did was terrible and that I didn't want her ever contacting me on my phone again. All she said was "no problem".
Worried about where my ferrets ended up, I put an ad up on the website explaining the situation and trying to reach out to who ever ended up with them. The woman I sold them to replied to is saying that it was slander. and that she reported it to to the website to have it removed. I never mentioned her name or contact info anywhere so I knew It was fine and chose not to reply. I also got an email from the woman who bought them from her. This was the email: "We got all three of the ferrets yesterday. We had responded about the two males since our male had recently lost his friend and we wanted a companion for him. We had discussed through texting taking the two males for 100 but when my boyfriend was on the way she said that she wanted us to take all three because they were too smelly and she couldn't stand it and she would give us their cage and supplies with them for 150. However once my boyfriend got there he was given the three ferrets, a bag of food, a ferret post, a toy and a bed for the 150. She had said that she was going to keep the cage for her rats when we thought we were going to get it so we could expand the current ferret nation cage we had. She didn't give us any of the hammocks or blankets that it looks like they had. They are at a good home, however now we are kind of upset that this woman took advantage of the situation probably just to get the cage." She was very nice and even text me some pictures of them so I knew they were ok. I was so relived. But that woman DID make a profit, and she lied about giving them all of their stuff. She kept the cage and expencive custom bedding. For her rats I assume. I then got an email from a man in responce to my ad. "omg i think i bought the cage a ferret nation 2 level and emailed someone where to get a ferret because she was sellin it for 50$. she had dogs fish birds it just seemed like a mill i have address if you need it. is her name (BLOCKED)?" I told him it was and he told me how sorry he was that this happend. He got the cage for 125. I still dont have the money for it and she is making me wait until the 14th to get it.
And that the end of MY situation
Now, baised on the picture of her animals on facebook, I was able to find ads for MANY other animals she was selling. Most of them have been taken down so I assume she has sold those ones. The website also has a feture where you can see the other ads that person has up. Using this I've been able to track her ads as they go up and down.
In just the past week she has had ads up to sell: 2 puppies of 4 only weeks old, the mother of the puppies (she said she saved her from an abusive home. This is just speculation on my part, but I am under the impression that she may have acquired the dog pregnant, just to sell her and her puppies later.), 5 birds. My ferrets. And I didn't see this as an ad, but she told me she was dropping off a hedge hog somewhere before she came to my place to get the ferrets. And then when she got to my place she also said she picked up a basset hound at the same time. Most of these ads are not up anymore so I believe them to already have been sold.
As of right now, has an ad up trying to sell the basset hound she got the day she picked up my ferrets, 2 birds, an ad that she is looking for a cat, and other ferret cage that she somehow acquired
Also a few hours ago, someone contacted me though email after seeing my ad. "Hello, just a question on that lady who has bought your ferrets was her email: (BLCOKED) just wondering because she contacted me about mine too just so i know if she tries to contact me again i know not to sell him to her" I told her that it was her email. She was trying to buy her ferret as well.
If this isnt enough, based on the ads and photos I have seen, this woman has had in the past week (and these are only the ones I saw pictures of or saw ads about.) The 2 very young puppies , 3 dogs, several Rats (not sure how many) my 3 ferrets (at the time) at least 6 birds. There is likely more. She said she lives in an apartment so I don't think it's a very big place.
If something can be done about ANY of this please let me know.
I hope others can learn from my mistake.
On Feb 23, I put my 3 ferrets up for sale on a classifieds site. That day, a woman responed via email. She told me that she loved ferrets. That she missed her past ferrets. She told me she wanted them to stay together. She told me they would only be in a cage for 3 hours a day. She told me everything I wanted to hear. She even told me she wanted me to petsit them the weekend of the 23rd of March. I thought everything about her sounded great. She asked if i was asking $50 each. I told her I was, but that I was willing to lower the price if they were going to the same home. I told her I didn't care about the money, I just wanted them to go to a good home. We agreed on the price of $100 for them all. She told me she would pay me for them via e-tranfer the day she is paid (Feb 29th, and she did pay.) and that she would come pick them up on Saterday March 3rd. All of that week we chatted back and forth on facebook and though emails about the ferrets. I desided during the week that I would give her all of their stuff free of charge so it would stay with the ferrets, it uncluded food, some toys, and some expecive custom made bedding sets that I designed and ordered online. (about $200 worth) I was so sure that they were going to a good home, that I told her on March 2 that I had changed my mind about selling her their cage along with them. I wanted them to be in a familliar place. I was planning to keep it because it is a huge and expencive cage (worth about $300 new). I told her I was willing to sell it to her for $150. I told her it was ok if she wanted to wait until March 14th to pay, but the sooner the better. She agreed. On march 3 she told me that the was giving her hedgehog someone and was going to pick up my ferrets after that. She arrived at my apartment in the early afternoon. She told me that she had a Basset Hound that she just pick up in the back seat. She got my ferrets and their things. She left the cage and told me her friend would be back later that day to pick it up. They did a few hours later. Everything was fine until the morning of Monday March 5th. She put an ad on the webiste that morning about selling one of the ferrets for $50. I was upset, she only had them for 2 days and was trying to sell one without contacting me to ask if I wanted him back. I sent her a facebook message asking why she was selling him and went to work. When I returned home, I noticed she deleted the message. I sent her a text trying to figure out what was going on. She said he bit her and she was scared. I told her he is very scared in his new place and that he just needed time to relax and adjust. I said I would like to take them back if she didnt want them or it wasnt working out. She told me she would try it out. The next morning I checked the website and saw that 2 of them were up for 100 dollars. (I sold her 3 for 100) I told her that I didn't know what was going on. That I wanted them all back because I wanted them all to stay together. She wouldn't respond to my texts. (I looked though her facebook pictures and noticed that I saw a lot of her other pets as ads on the website. That is when I realised she must buy peoles pets and sell them all the time... But more on that later.) A few hours later she blocked me on facebook. My fiance called her, she said she had some friends over and would call me back. A half an hour later she text me saying that she sold them. I said to her that I sold them to her so that would stay together. She said that they were already gone and that all of their things went with them. She said that I would get my money on the 14th like we agreed. I asked her if this whole thing was just a ploy to make money. She answered how do you think I made money? oh my god stop harassing me. I told her if she wasnt in it to make money she would have given them back. I told her that what she did was terrible and that I didn't want her ever contacting me on my phone again. All she said was "no problem".
Worried about where my ferrets ended up, I put an ad up on the website explaining the situation and trying to reach out to who ever ended up with them. The woman I sold them to replied to is saying that it was slander. and that she reported it to to the website to have it removed. I never mentioned her name or contact info anywhere so I knew It was fine and chose not to reply. I also got an email from the woman who bought them from her. This was the email: "We got all three of the ferrets yesterday. We had responded about the two males since our male had recently lost his friend and we wanted a companion for him. We had discussed through texting taking the two males for 100 but when my boyfriend was on the way she said that she wanted us to take all three because they were too smelly and she couldn't stand it and she would give us their cage and supplies with them for 150. However once my boyfriend got there he was given the three ferrets, a bag of food, a ferret post, a toy and a bed for the 150. She had said that she was going to keep the cage for her rats when we thought we were going to get it so we could expand the current ferret nation cage we had. She didn't give us any of the hammocks or blankets that it looks like they had. They are at a good home, however now we are kind of upset that this woman took advantage of the situation probably just to get the cage." She was very nice and even text me some pictures of them so I knew they were ok. I was so relived. But that woman DID make a profit, and she lied about giving them all of their stuff. She kept the cage and expencive custom bedding. For her rats I assume. I then got an email from a man in responce to my ad. "omg i think i bought the cage a ferret nation 2 level and emailed someone where to get a ferret because she was sellin it for 50$. she had dogs fish birds it just seemed like a mill i have address if you need it. is her name (BLOCKED)?" I told him it was and he told me how sorry he was that this happend. He got the cage for 125. I still dont have the money for it and she is making me wait until the 14th to get it.
And that the end of MY situation
Now, baised on the picture of her animals on facebook, I was able to find ads for MANY other animals she was selling. Most of them have been taken down so I assume she has sold those ones. The website also has a feture where you can see the other ads that person has up. Using this I've been able to track her ads as they go up and down.
In just the past week she has had ads up to sell: 2 puppies of 4 only weeks old, the mother of the puppies (she said she saved her from an abusive home. This is just speculation on my part, but I am under the impression that she may have acquired the dog pregnant, just to sell her and her puppies later.), 5 birds. My ferrets. And I didn't see this as an ad, but she told me she was dropping off a hedge hog somewhere before she came to my place to get the ferrets. And then when she got to my place she also said she picked up a basset hound at the same time. Most of these ads are not up anymore so I believe them to already have been sold.
As of right now, has an ad up trying to sell the basset hound she got the day she picked up my ferrets, 2 birds, an ad that she is looking for a cat, and other ferret cage that she somehow acquired
Also a few hours ago, someone contacted me though email after seeing my ad. "Hello, just a question on that lady who has bought your ferrets was her email: (BLCOKED) just wondering because she contacted me about mine too just so i know if she tries to contact me again i know not to sell him to her" I told her that it was her email. She was trying to buy her ferret as well.
If this isnt enough, based on the ads and photos I have seen, this woman has had in the past week (and these are only the ones I saw pictures of or saw ads about.) The 2 very young puppies , 3 dogs, several Rats (not sure how many) my 3 ferrets (at the time) at least 6 birds. There is likely more. She said she lives in an apartment so I don't think it's a very big place.
If something can be done about ANY of this please let me know.
I hope others can learn from my mistake.
Steaks (#5484)
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03-9-2012 at 4:14 PM
No worries. I know how it is reporting abusers to law enforcement and because of this, I will remove the links to the website in my reply. <br /> I have not contacted the seller
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03-9-2012 at 11:46 AM
I hope the SPCA can do something about the four week old puppies. That's way too young to separate them from momma. :/ I don't think they can do anything about the rest though. Being an animal trader isn't illegal.<br /> <br /> If you still have the e-mails about the cage money be sure to keep them. The only thing you could really do is take her to court and that's probably going to cost more than the cage. You can certainly terrify her with the idea of it though.<br /> <br /> Either way I am so very sorry this happened to you. :<<br /> <br /> Edit: Did you tell her, anywhere in the emails, that if she couldn't keep them she had to return them to you?
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Rikkie (#14138)
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03-9-2012 at 10:54 AM
Thanks for the info clay. And if anyone finds out who she is, please don't try to contact her. The OSPCA has responded and I want to make sure its easy for them to investigate.
Steaks (#5484)
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03-9-2012 at 1:37 AM
Alrighty. I did some snooping (not really, I just found out you lived in ontario, then i searched "ferret" on the first sale site I thought of)<br /> <br /> [LINKS REMOVED]<br /> <br /> EDIT: I found the woman you're talking about and I see her ads. I sure hope nobody falls for it and gives her a kitten. uggggh i feel sick to my stomach.
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03-9-2012 at 1:01 AM
What she's doing is cheap, but I think other than the 4-week old puppies, it's completely legal. It's so, so, so unbelievably important to make sure that if you <i>have</i> to get rid of your pets, you make sure you know where they're going. I'm talking vet references and a home inspection. If they refuse, they don't get the animals. That simple.<br /> <br /> If you wanted them to go to a good home, you could have given them up to the humane society. The shelter I volunteer at is tiny, and we still take care of Rabbits, Birds, Iguanas and all sorts of exotic pets.<br /> <br /> The warning signs were definitely there. If someone were trying to buy my pets off me, and then went on to tell me they'd bought a dog and sold a hedgehog the same day, there's no way I'd ever sell to them.<br /> <br />
Rikkie (#14138)
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03-9-2012 at 12:46 AM
Maybe. Worth a shot I guess.
Rikkie (#14138)
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03-9-2012 at 12:44 AM
Maybe. Worth a shot I guess.
Steaks (#5484)
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03-9-2012 at 12:41 AM
Perhaps you could report her on the website you sold your pets on?
Rikkie (#14138)
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03-9-2012 at 12:38 AM
I'm sure it was difficult. I have been stressed and exhausted so forgive me if I didn't put as much focus into this as a should have. I have done what I can. All I can do now is continue to warn people. I didn't think she was breaking any laws. In my opinion, lying to scam people out of their pets and make a profit SHOULD be illegal.
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03-8-2012 at 10:49 PM
No offense, this was extremely hard to read.<br /> The lack of quotations around what he said-she said, the run-on sentences, the 7-word sentences, etc.<br /> <br /> Anyways, based off of what I understood, no.. buying and selling animals is not illegal in Canada/Ontario. If she was running a mill - yes. If she was abusing the animals - yes. If the animals were living in horrible living situations - yes.<br /> Other than that, nope.
iGuitarStringz (#21961)
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03-8-2012 at 9:45 PM
I am so sorry this happened to you! That woman is horrible. I hope she gets stopped.
Riverside Kennels (#253)
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03-8-2012 at 9:27 PM
I would charge for fraud. Most likely a bunch of other cases that could be made against her, too. I really hope you figure this out, Rikkie! :/
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03-8-2012 at 8:52 PM
That is completely horrid. I really hope the police get involved, but I'm glad your ferrets are safe.
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03-8-2012 at 8:48 PM
I've had a problem like that, but it was a taxidermist and his mother lying to try and buy my horse - she wasn't up for sale or anything. XD Sadly they got their white horse and sure enough they wound up running from the cops 'cause they were somehow found selling illegal horse meat to a big cat place down the road...No telling how many horses the guy had bought off people, but my Dad met the owner of one of them, warned him about the taxidermist, and the guy came back to tell Dad that his dear horse was nowhere to be found. :c Poor guy. We got a freezer out of it, though. XDD If my dad hadn't dropped by then, we wouldn't have known the man wanting my horse was a taxidermist. lol
Rikkie (#14138)
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03-8-2012 at 8:37 PM
Yes that is very important.
AltheaMink (#20601)
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03-8-2012 at 8:36 PM
What a disaster! O_o <br /> Gosh, I would almost die for a FN cage. <br /> <br /> I guess the next thing to do, is people need to make their own adoption contracts for this stuff. That way, you could take people like this lady to court. When our dog had puppies, my parents made a very thick contract - the puppy had to be brought back to us if they couldn't keep it at any time, no shelters. I think they had something in there about not abusing the dog and everything. My mother signed a really thorough adoption contract with the shelter she got her dog from last year.
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03-8-2012 at 8:34 PM
Im so sorry to hear that she took advantage of you wanting the best for your ferrets like that. Sadly I do not know of anything that may help but I really hope it comes back to nip her in the butt. I feel terribly for those poor 4 week old babies, anyone who does that to little puppies needs to be stopped.
Rikkie (#14138)
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03-8-2012 at 8:32 PM
I sent an email to my local police station.
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03-8-2012 at 8:31 PM
I don't think it's even legal to sell puppies that young.... that's a start.
Tomakievil (#22251)
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03-8-2012 at 8:31 PM
That is horrible!<br /> I would contact the police because you would get more help from them and sooner.