07-27-2011 at 7:10 AM

A point of fact before we go any further: A Tiger and a Lion are NOT members of the same species, as claimed by an earlier post. Tigers and Lions share a Genus but are members of the species tigris and leo respectively.<br /> <br /> And if a history book claimed someone was conducting themselves in such a way as to frequently violate all known laws of physics, someone probably would question its veracity and request citations of source and examination of said documents. The difference is that with a history book, those things are required for review and publication, as they are with any academic article or tome. I think that's probably why people would have issues taking the bible as an historical document. Historians are big on independent verification and all that academic type stuff. <br /> <br /> That said, I don't have a problem with evolution, my existential issue lies herein; From where did the first self-replicating matter come? How was there suddenly something that...well, lived, after all that time of dormant minerals and molecules and the such? How did a cell come to be?

07-27-2011 at 6:16 AM

I believe in reasonable "evolution," or adaptation, if you will. A cat to a dog (or whatever you call a reasonable, species-evolution), no. But a tiger to a lion, within a species, I consider.<br /> <br /> I don't mean to offend, but simply, my opinion of Evolution AND Creationism... <br /> God created man, beasts of the earth, fowl of the air, creatures of the sea- he states that. It does not state that they evolved from one another. Selective, luck breeding may lead to variations, naturally... In a forest, a white deer is least likely to survive as it will be targeted by predators, and therefore, dark deer are likely to thrive. Natural selection, is that what it's called? Bother...<br /> <br /> I also feel the need to state... well, yet again, this coming from my opinion.<br /> But those who only consider PART of the Bible is true (excluding the obvious, stated parables)... Would you take a history book and decide that Hitler never existed? I believe in Adam and Eve. I do not think it was a silly parable or story, or whatever you call it. My argument is the history book. The Bible is an ancient history book... the only difference is that it goes back so far that people can start to question whether it happened or not. I question whether this will also happen years into the future for us, where people start considering Hitler to be only a story - perhaps, moreso than they already do - and etc. etc.

07-27-2011 at 5:59 AM

they did evolve but only to there inviroments and i only believe in creation not that an ameba gave birth to a fish that gave birth to a monkey then that gave birth to a human i only beleive that god made earth and its animals and plants and then left them to evolve to there enviroments following them every step of the way.

04-10-2011 at 5:36 AM

Zan is definitely right - you can believe in both creation and evolution. I definitely do. I believe that God created the world, set everything in motion, if you will, and then let everything evolve to where it is today. I also don't think he only did that on our planet (why would an omnipotent being put all his eggs in one basket?), but that's a different debate entirely :P<br />

04-9-2011 at 8:22 AM

Yes, they can Rev, or there's way too many people out there who are defying what you think.<br /> <br /> They think exactly what Tiger said. They don't think that the Adam and Eve thing is literal. They believe god created everything and then the progression happened because god set it up that way. Evolution was the product of gods beginning of that which started the universe.<br /> <br /> To say someone cannot believe in both, combining their beliefs, is already proven wrong since people do. I've met them.

04-8-2011 at 2:50 PM

Rev, creation and evolution can exist together, if your god created the world and everything in it that was however many thousand/million years ago, he could have created everything that existed at that time and left it to evolve from there. Evolution doesn't always mean from primordial ooze to humans, it also takes into account small changes over a few hundred years including domestic dogs. Look at Chihuahuas they use to be wolves O_O

04-8-2011 at 10:19 AM

Dang! I was beat to the Flyin' Spaghetti Monster....

04-8-2011 at 7:08 AM

ZJ, one can believe in both God and evolution, but Creation and evolution cannot be combined. It's impossible. One started without death, the other with death. To combine the two is impossible, but one can choose to believe it if he/she wishes to.<br /> <br /> One can believe in Santa Claus, but it doesn't make him real. Basing your beliefs off of truth is vital, otherwise your belief system is faulty.<br /> <br /> And what is true? Who can define what is true? I personally believe that true science is what can be believed in, and personally, Creation is backed up with a whole bunch of science.<br /> <br /> I've posted about it on pages back. You'll have to go back to read it because I don't want to post it twice.

04-6-2011 at 12:03 PM

<i>"Yes there is, it all happened because of gravitational pull and whatnot."</i><br /> <br /> The idea of my posts are that some people have about balancing religion and science is that god is the influence in creating the science. So god would have started it all, gravitational pull would have been put into place by god, yadda yadda.<br /> <br /> What is so wrong with choosing to believe in both? I certainly don't but I'm not going to condemn someone for believing to think that there is a god and in evolution and science. It's a good thing, we should be embracing these people as they've learned to balance their believes with what the science has proven to be true.<br /> <br /> It feels like in this world there's a lot of great people who admit they believe in a god but also know evolution is real, and yet it seems that they get condemned or mocked because god doesn't exist and could not have created anything. Yet it's still a great thing they can balance science with their beliefs, this is what we want of religious people, to accept science without feeling that they must drop their beliefs.<br /> <br /> It's this line that's drawn between science and religion that has caused so many problems, if it was less defined, perhaps people could learn to balance both in their lives instead of being forced to choose one or the other. On both sides, as the religious seem to condemn just as much as the nonreligious.

04-5-2011 at 11:59 PM

I don't think I've poked my head in here yet.<br /> <br /> I'm agnostic, personally, and I strongly believe in evolution :) So much proof supporting it, so little in the way of creation.<br /> <br /> Just my two cents :)

04-5-2011 at 9:16 AM

"yet little to none to back up creationism"<br /> <br /> proof there isn't a god then. where is the scientific proof in that? im with kitten and what she believes, it simply makes more sence to me.<br /> <br /> I could go as far to say that evolution is not a theory, but a proven scientific fact.<br /> <br /> it is a fact. theres lots of proof that there is.

04-5-2011 at 9:16 AM

<br /> "All that said, I'm a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. "<br /> <br /> LMAO <br /> That serously made my day. <br /> Him and his godly noodliness. xD <br />

04-5-2011 at 9:13 AM

There is so much proof backing up the evolotion theory, yet little to none to back up creationism. The fossil record in my book is plenty of proof. I could go as far to say that evolution is not a theory, but a proven scientific fact.<br /> <br /> Sorry, but to me believing in creationism (and in my own opinion, this includes god) is like believing in Unicorns and fairies.<br /> <br /> I respect people's opinions, believe in whatever floats your boat. (: There's nothing wrong with not believing , or believing in certain things.<br /> <br /> People often say, "Well, someone had to make this world..", therfore they believe god made this world, or even the big bang. I say that life had to start somewhere. What makes you think god had anything to do with creating the universe? The fact that we are standing here? Well, who made god then? <br /> What am trying to say is that everything starts somewhere, you can go on and on, on who made what, and what made what. <br /> <br />

04-3-2011 at 12:19 AM

I apologize, Shay. Was I being rude? :(

04-2-2011 at 9:04 PM

<b> Please be courteous when posting your views. This may be a debate forum but its no excuse to be trolls or harassing someone because of their opinion.<br /> <br /> There have been several warnings about making sure your attitudes are in check. There's no excuse to keep being rude. You've already been warned. <br /> <br /> If I continue to see unreasonable rudeness, I will make sure actions are taken.</b>

04-2-2011 at 11:10 AM

<i>"But there's nothing saying that god couldn't have had a hand in that either."</i><br>Yes there is, it all happened because of gravitational pull and whatnot.

04-2-2011 at 10:45 AM

Cuddles, I think your view is fine.<br /> <br /> Who says there is insanity in thinking there is a higher power who had influence into the universe's beginning? There's nothing wrong with that.<br /> <br /> Obviously if you believe in evolution, you're aware of how the earth came about with things hitting while the sun was still young and so on. But there's nothing saying that god couldn't have had a hand in that either.<br /> <br /> The irony of me saying all this is I don't believe in god and I'm not christian. But I'm not about to condemn someone for choosing to believe both in a god and science. I think it's a fantastic thing and we should support being about to balance fact with beliefs we cannot prove but like to believe in.

03-30-2011 at 8:40 PM

Evolution, as I don't have a religion and it just seems to make a great amount of sense.

03-28-2011 at 9:51 AM

XD True, I believe it both ways but scientifically is much more reasonable and much more likely. :)

03-27-2011 at 12:08 PM

I don't mean to sound insulting, but this: <i>"I believe that the building blocks of the Earth was made by God (I'm a Christian). But I also believe later on everything evolved to how it is right now. "</i><br><br>to me, sounds like <i>"I can't understand why ___ happened, so I will think of a way that I could believe.. like the earth just poofed into existence"</i>