01-20-2012 at 10:43 PM

No one said dongs under 1K TP wernt worth anything. I have dogs under 1K TP Guen and Joejoe, there both costumes, There worth what there line is worth. Trained them, Trialed them, Breed them. Got better TP puppies from them.<br /> <br /> " higher entry fee based on TP and how old you are site wise,"<br /> <br /> Once again punishing people for taking the time to train and breed there dogs for more TP.<br /> <br /> " Based on your kennel size and how long you've been so newer players can afford it, of course."<br /> <br /> Yeah because saving up the money and paying for the upgrades in kennel sizes wasnt enough in the first place? Once again punishing people who work for what they want.

01-20-2012 at 10:40 PM

Nafia, so people who put real money into the sire should be punished now because a few people - which is what this is basically about - hoard their money? That is more than unfair. <br /> <br />

01-20-2012 at 10:38 PM

Why so angry Jambers? <br /> <br /> I totally agree that maxing amonster should be worthwhile, I said so before. <br /> <br /> But having dogs under 1k TP should still be worth something.

01-20-2012 at 10:37 PM

I agree to the two dog to increase the amount of trials instead of everyone putting fillers. I would also suggest maybe a higher entry fee based on TP and how old you are site wise,<br /> <br /> I also suggest a kind of taxing system on Alacrity. Based on your kennel size and how long you've been so newer players can afford it, of course.

01-20-2012 at 10:24 PM

Everyone has a chance at winning. They enter thats a chance you have a 1/5 chance of winning in a trial. <br /> <br /> "having no hope tends to make people not want to do something."<br /> <br /> When i started ala i started with the same thing everyone ealce did. One foundie and around 5,000 ala cash. My trial dog now? All skills when maxed of corse will be over 990 some over 1,000 in one area. If they start and expect everything handed to them on a silver platter, they have come to the wrong game. Sorry but its true, you want something? Work for it, earn it. Thats the way life is.

01-20-2012 at 10:17 PM

Now, I am the first one to admit that life is certainly not fair and that making it fair does nothing at all but make people spoiled. <br /> <br /> What I am simply saying is that having a CHANCE at winning is all it really takes to keep people in the trails. I for one am not sad that one of my dogs losses as long as I have a chance at winning. Its life, you win some you loose some. <br /> <br /> That is just how people think though, it is not being scared in a since, but having no hope tends to make people not want to do something. <br /> <br /> And having less people enter trials means less trialing running. Meaning we, ala citizens make less money and spend less money, hurting ala's economy. <br /> <br /> <br /> Personally, I feel you need a little sadness in your life to notice the happiness, but that is not what I am saying, what I am saying is that people need hope to do something, no hope nothing gets done. <br />

01-20-2012 at 10:09 PM

"And to be fair, your Higher Tp, very good breeding dogs have a chance as long as they are trialing, they will move through the ranks quickly, but at the cost of a lower moral for the other players."<br /> <br /> Oh yes lets let the idea of making people sad because there dog didnt win really run how things are done here on ala. In That case everyone should have the same stuff no matter what. Because they might be sad they couldn't spend the money to get item. So you start passing out chances to make everything "fair" so no one is upset because they couldnt afford one.<br /> <br /> "The problem with Number one is that yes your dogs do travel fast through the trails, but what if there are no dogs trialing because they are scared to run in a trial against a Higher TP dog? People don't want to spent money if they don't have a chance to win it back."<br /> <br /> If they refuse to take a swing at bat, they will strike out every time. Baseball refrence but it works. If there to "scaired" to trial so they dont enter they are only hurting themselfs.

01-20-2012 at 10:01 PM

To be realistic, A champion dog with great breeding can still have a bad day and not win a trail. In ala, that is not possible, a High tp dog will always win. <br /> <br /> The problem with Number one is that yes your dogs do travel fast through the trails, but what if there are no dogs trialing because they are scared to run in a trial against a Higher TP dog? People don't want to spent money if they don't have a chance to win it back. <br /> <br /> And I am not asking for it o be thrown out of the window, but to make things a little more far to the people that do not have a higher tp dog, or the chance to have a higher tp dog. <br /> <br /> Limiting the amount of dogs that can enter into a specific trial per person limits the amount of chances a person has to win, limiting the amount of dogs that will run into trials, which in turn limits the amount of trials being run. This is not good for the economy in the slightest. <br /> <br /> And to be fair, your Higher Tp, very good breeding dogs have a chance as long as they are trialing, they will move through the ranks quickly, but at the cost of a lower moral for the other players.

01-20-2012 at 9:56 PM

I'm not so sure about separating via generation either. Folks with Chances and breeders perks would have the upper-hand since they can churn out dogs more likely to win. Customs would trump foundies every time too.<br /> <br /> I think it would cater to hardcore players a little too much.<br /> <br />

01-20-2012 at 9:54 PM

Should i not have the same chances as you because my dog is better?<br /> <br /> Is that how they really run things? We have the different trials for a reason. High TP dogs go up in trials quickly. the higher the level the less trials. <br /> <br /> you can ask people to make more trials, it is allowed in the main chat. your only alowed to ask once every 30 minuits or so but if there arnt enough trials in say onlies, you can ask some be made. lots of people have upgraded accounts, i have a upgraded account. Fell free to ask. <br /> <br /> If a dog with 4 championship wins in agility trials enters a trial in real life, are they going to turn the owner of that dog away because "oh well hes TO good"? No hes going to run the trial just like every other dog there. Why because thats fair. Breeding, Training thease are things that should count for something. To ask they they be thrown out the window on a dog breeding/trialing game is rediculious. <br /> <br /> If they perfer lower TP dogs, then they know what to expect.

01-20-2012 at 9:52 PM

I'm not so sure about separating via generation either. Folks with Chances and breeders perks would have the upper-hand since they can churn out dogs more likely to win. Customs would trump foundies every time too.<br /> <br /> I think it would cater to hardcore players a little too much.<br /> <br />

01-20-2012 at 9:45 PM

Jambers, but what if there are not enough trials in level you are running in? Or you put your dogs in and then someone else comes in and puts a few capped dogs in? Sometimes it isn't really that simple, and I am speaking from someone who trials her dogs only once a day. There is not always enough trials to be picky, but I would like to earn some extra cash, should I be shot down for something out of my control? <br /> <br /> <br /> Edit::<br /> <br /> What about personal preference? A person may like the simplicity of training and trialing foundies and customs. Should they not have a chance in trailing if they prefer a lower Tp Dog?<br /> <br /> <br />

01-20-2012 at 9:41 PM

I have 2 costomes, i personaly designed them trained and trialed them. they HAVE wins. it may take more time, but to enshure the wins i check out the competition before entering a trial. if i dont like the looks of it, i dont enter. Its that simple.

01-20-2012 at 9:39 PM

Jambers, Yes, it does take a lot of time and money to train a monster dog, but what about the money it cost to buy and train a custom? It seems to me like we go from one end of the spectrum to the other. All dogs should be allowed to trial, it is just a matter of who they trial against, and how fair it is all around. I am sure you wouldn't want a monster trialing a custom against four monsters now would you?

01-20-2012 at 9:35 PM

even if you do choose #4 you would only be able to enter a set number of trials, i meen say you enter a trial, you dont have a trial team. you loose every trial, thats it, your not allowed to try again thaat day your amount is gone. <br /> <br /> and all this about "monster dogs" is rediculious, it really is the "its not fair..my dog is so much lower in TP than there dog. its not fair..." yeah it is. Time and effert go into making thease high TP dogs. My new trial dog is 12, he wont be trialing till hes finished his training, only one of his stats is maxed right now. Is it really fair to exclude him from trials because he may be better than your dog? All the time and effert i put into training him should count for something. To say Oh yeah well hes to high in TP to enter, isn't fair to me. You want your dog to win, train them, breed them, use a chance if you have to train the puppies. Put in the same amount of time and effert and then see how your vew on it is.

01-20-2012 at 9:28 PM

The generation Idea has some merits ,but what about bad breeding? I have a 6th gen at around 200 tp, higher then my foundie first gen but lower then my second gen 400 tp. Now I know you can not make everyone happy, but I thought I would point that out. <br /> <br /> Also, I am wondering how this would be more fair then a TP segregation?<br /> <br /> And I just reported my own rely by accident... Sorry! :(

01-20-2012 at 9:26 PM

I had a bit of a brain storm, although I'm not sure how much of a solution this would be: <br /> <br /> What if, instead of limiting by TP, we limited by generation? This would mean that foundations and customs would compete against each other, 2nd gens against each other, 3rd gens against each other, and so-on-and-so-forth all the way up until gen 5+?<br /> <br /> I'm not even sure if coding this is a possibility, but it seemed more fair than posing a TP limit to segment trials to me. <br /> <br /> Thoughts?

01-20-2012 at 9:21 PM

I like my trial team. :P So, no to #1 for me.

01-20-2012 at 9:15 PM

Whatever the outcome of all this is, I just hope it doesn't hurt casual trialers such as myself. I do not run my dogs every single day, and if it gets to be too much of a hassle (if there is little to no hope of them winning at all... like if the amount I can enter is reduced to 3, 2, or 1) I don't see why I or other people would even bother running dogs anymore.<br /> <br /> If someone could explain the actual pay-outs dogs make at the high levels, I think that could be helpful too. Is it wins at ALL trial levels that are creating site inflation? Or is it wins at the higher levels that are really causing problems? <br /> <br /> Maybe only higher level wins need to be adjusted.<br /> <br /> For example, I trialed all of my dogs the other day as teams and made about $8k with my 2 accounts. My dogs range from Scooby to Odie levels -- with the bulk of them in Dogbert.My prize money got used for dog food. :P So it went right back into the site. At my dogs' current trial levels, I'm only able to make enough for dog food, vaccinations, and random items from the stores. To me, that seems how it is supposed to be, but since I don't know the payouts for high levels, I don't know at what point does it change to where it allows people to acquire mass amounts of money.

01-20-2012 at 9:15 PM

I chose 4 and not 1 for one reason-people can enter only capped dogs and what do you know? hundreds of trials being run solely because only capped dogs enter.<br /> <br /> I don't think that people are thinking about the pros and cons of the decisons throughly. i suspect a lot of "Oh, it has a lot of votes so I'll chose that one." However, is anyone really realizng how much implementing #1 will hurt us?<br /> <br /> Tell me, do you want to enter trials knowing that there is a slim chance of you winning because someone entered 2 capped dogs in? OH! Guess what?! Someone else entered THEIR 2 capped dogs! Now you have NO chances of placing! <br /> <br /> I think that we need to reduce the amoount of times dogs trial as well. I wish there was something else to be done, but it's really annoying me to know that people are "kicked out" of trials by monsters and their owners won't put in fillers. If the trial has one entry, then that's different, but to put 4 dogs in and leave only a limited number of dogs to enter and possibly beat the others seems a bit unfair. :/