01-21-2012 at 2:36 PM

We can adjust it so users cannot enter over the 2 dog limit even by switching to side accounts if option 1 is decided upon.

01-21-2012 at 2:32 PM

I personally think that option one has many loopholes to get through. I mean, what if a person enters four dogs through both accounts? No-one would enter the one final dog unless it was guaranteed to place.<br /> <br /> I honestly don't think the economy is too bad. Bone prices will go up as the site goes on, because people will always want the most money they can for bones. The only thing you can only get bone only, are customs, perks and upgrades. Bones, through my eyes are going for a perfectly fair rate. Why not just buy monthly items for cash, hold onto them for a few months then sell them for bones?

01-21-2012 at 1:41 PM

Hmm... maybe in response to trial sniping.. people won't be able to see the other dogs in the trial, perhaps? Maybe it can just say how many dogs are in the trial, but not list the dogs? This would be a fun alternative so people can't just pick through trials and find ones they can win. After all, in a real trial, you can't read a page and know exactly how good other dogs in the trial will be compared to yours :3

01-21-2012 at 1:34 PM

I believe I mentioned lure coursing on that thread as an alternative - one I think might've been skipped over. Lure coursing is a decent alternative because it's done by owners as an activity with their beloved dog. I have yet to hear of any dogs being killed after their lure coursing 'careers' are over. <br /> <br /> So there's my suggestion: lure coursing.

01-21-2012 at 1:18 PM

"It is simply the fact that some people can't poor their lives into the game, can't work to get the amount of money it takes to get High TP Dogs."<br /> <br /> I left for over 2 months and came back just this month to see that GSD's have been caped. Yet i still have a caped dog. You can buy a caped dog you dont have to pay 65K like i did, there are some for 40K i saw one for 30K. play the games, save the money buy a caped dog. <br /> <br /> When i started Ala it was heres 10,000 to get you started and 5 dog slots. good luck! Now? theres the pound project, people training newbies dogs for free, the newbie raffle. Now you want to change the competitions so the newer players fell better when there dog wins? Where where all thease changes when i started out and was struggleing to make money? oh yeah they did not exsist.<br /> <br /> Was it frustrating? Yes very. So i scrimped and saved and bought a scollar coller for ten bones. Real money, i saved for 2 weeks to get it. Now? Scollar collars are in the cash shop. you can save fake money to buy one. Another new adition to ala to help the new members out, training items for ala cash that where orignaly a "limited time" item for accual money. <br /> <br /> Kind of makes my saving of real money pointless now dosent it? Should have just complained a lot and expected things to change to favor me because im new right?<br /> <br /> <br /> "Also I feel the need to say Jambers, I really like hearing your opinion and clashing swords with you so to say, you have a sharp mind and a sharper tongue. No harm intended here. "<br /> <br /> Aww ill take that as the complament its intended to be. Thank you!

01-21-2012 at 1:16 PM

"Dog racing" can be interchangeable with "weight pulling," "cani cross" or any other casual dog activities in that that we could suggest a new alternative feature that is not TP based for lower TP dogs to be able to participate instead of adjusting the trial system down. :)<br /> <br /> You are welcome to suggest your own preferred dog activity as well if you can think of any, and develop a more structured idea in the suggestion forum of how it would work. I would certainly be happy to look at it. ^^

01-21-2012 at 1:13 PM

All I'm saying is, if a user is limited to the number of dogs that can be entered, something else has to change or else people will always get sniped in trials. As is, it's not always easy entering in that last dog. <br /> <br /> Who wants to sit there just waiting for someone else to basically be stupid enough to enter in their dogs first... then swoop in with their higher TP dogs to ensure a win? With how it is now, and definitely if the amount of dogs a user can enter decreases, it really will be pointless to enter your dog(s) in first in a trial since anyone can come in with a higher TP dog that will take first place.<br /> <br /> And also, all of the dog breeds do not have the same prevalence of high TP dogs. Borzoi for example, are a lot lower than the other breeds from what I've seen. Even at the foundie level, I'm noticing their TP is lower than other breeds (I don't understand why foundie TP is not the same for all breeds... if someone could explain that, that would be helpful). You don't come across many borzoi for sale over the 1k TP mark either. Yeah I could only make trials for borzoi, but since they aren't as popular as huskies or GSD's, it could take all day for those trials to run. <br /> <br /> Maybe they are out there, but I haven't seen a capped borzoi before either. If someone has some capped borzoi, I'd love to see them.<br /> <br /> So, I'm still sticking behind my trialing based on TP ranges. Why would you run a grand champion against a couple of rookies? That's not even real competition.

01-21-2012 at 12:38 PM

If teams are removed, which is what looks like is winning, all the trial levels will need to be removed as well otherwise young, but high leveled dogs, will have to end their careers and that's not fair for people who catered toward making sure their dogs didnt age a lot.<br /> <br /> I have a full team of Gromit dogs (finally, as of yesterday) I had four dogs time stopped until I could get a team and now they will all be unusable again if teams are taken away. There are simply not enough dogs in Gromit. I checked for trials with entries and never have I seen any. Making Otis the last possible trialing level that extends on no matter number of wins would be the most viable option. There are plenty of otis dogs and this would make the system fair for those who have reached Gromit. Eventually people wont want to enter their dogs due to cost of the trial, but until that happens they shouldn't have to retire a dog merely because it's been bumped to a level no one else will enter and they don't have a team to make up for it.<br /> <br /> <br /> You also have to take into account "trial sniping" which will only hurt newer players and not the players who already have a lot of money because they have high TP dogs. It will start happening at an increasing rate if trial teams are taken away. I personally think limiting the number of times a dog can enter a trial in a day (4 times) would be the best way, so people aren't able to enter them tons and tons of times. 4 times is plenty, that's their energy starting off the day and perhaps the best way. Plus, usually, an agility trial day consists of 4-5 runs in real life :P And believe me, a dog is plenty tired after that day!<br /> <br /> And if we're talking about real life, people -do- often have multiple dogs in one level of agility. I've seen a cocker spaniel breeder having 7-8 dogs in one trial, lol. A chihuahua breeder had the same type of thing going on. Granted they don't win cash, either xD But still, it's not uncommon since people are more into furthering their dogs careers than winning awards in RL.<br /> <br /> ---------------<br /> <br /> Also on the note of dog racing, if racing isn't favored frisbee trials could be installed. There's the frisbee game already but it doesn't really resemble the trialing system at all. There's also dock diving that speed/drive would seem logical to have :3 Or Flyball

01-21-2012 at 12:28 PM

If trial teams were disallowed I'd be extremely upset. We don't rescue monster TP dogs on my rescue and it's hard to get wins without a team.

01-21-2012 at 10:17 AM

I absolutely, positively disagree with the dog racing suggestion. Even though Thy added that bit about it not being based off real life racing events, "dog racing" will forever imply "breeding obscene amounts of Greyhounds with little to no concern for their post-racing lives". I would be greatly saddened if this was added :c

01-21-2012 at 7:59 AM

Deja, I agree with you 100 %.<br /> <br /> Jambers, I think you may be under the impressions that we(who ever it is that agree's with me.) are suggesting handing people things on a silver platter, when in fact this is not the case. It is simply the fact that some people can't poor their lives into the game, can't work to get the amount of money it takes to get High TP Dogs. I Personally donate to the site whenever I need to and can, but I can not buy a high tp dog. It is not in my budget, or even possible for me to train a high TP dog in a good amount of time, I know I am trying to train a capped dog. <br /> <br /> What I am simply stating just that for some one like me who does just trail instead of breeding for the world, its the only way to make money(excluding games, which is another matter entirely.)<br /> <br /> I see no one suggesting things should be given out, I have worked to get the amount of dogs that I have, yes most of them are low TP, the ones that aren't were given to me by friends. I feel like what you are suggesting downplays the person that has a different agenda then you, when the suggesting I am suggesting doesn't downplay anyone. <br /> <br /> Also I feel the need to say Jambers, I really like hearing your opinion and clashing swords with you so to say, you have a sharp mind and a sharper tongue. No harm intended here.

01-21-2012 at 6:10 AM

None of the above. I don't believe messing with trials will to fix the economy in any way. This is grasping at straws. The truth is that inflation was triggered when the cash to bones price ratio went up. Many predicted it, and that's exactly what happened. If things cost more money, people are going to try to make more money.<br /> <br /> If option 1 is enacted, nothing above Otis will ever run. You may as well get rid of those categories. There are just not enough dogs in the higher levels to compete with, because getting to the higher levels without a team is nigh impossible.<br /> <br /> With the issue as a whole, I just don't see anything wrong with people making money with dogs they worked really hard on. They spend the bones/money on various items to breed high TP dogs, buy the companions and items to help those dogs trial, and put in all that time and effort? I don't see why they shouldn't benefit from it.<br /> <br /> The fact of the matter is, if you can't profit from trials, there is no point in entering them. There's no joy to be had in being "sporting" when all you're doing is clicking a button. With an entrace fee that goes up with every win, I can't afford to toss a dog into random trials and hope it places.<br /> <br /> Frankly, if trials are messed with like this, I won't really have a reason to be on this site anymore. I gave up on breeding a long time ago out of frustration with people retiring my pups, no matter what precautions I took (but that's another issue entirely). Given the choices made in the past in regards to the site's economy, I'm not sure anyone actually understands it enough to fix it. You are going to lose players going at it like this.

01-21-2012 at 3:50 AM

If your a beginner in drawing and enter your art in a contest, you'd expect your art to be judged with other pieces of the same skill level as yours, not something like a masterpice of michal angelo.<br /> <br /> i would work key word here WORK to get better so i could be on the same level. i would not expect someone to walk in go oh well your new so im just going to make you the winner bevause of the fact that your new.<br /> <br />

01-21-2012 at 3:03 AM

For an entirely separate note: I think #5: Decrease the trial age limit from 240 months may need adjusting regardless of the outcome of the poll.<br /> <br /> I believe some time ago a poll about this has been posted as well? ^^;<br /> <br /> 20 years of trialing is a bit excessive.

01-21-2012 at 2:45 AM

In concerns to the low TP versus high TP, I do think the nature of competition should allow both to compete with each other. I do not think that should be changed, and I find it would be good to motivate players to purchase/breed higher TP dogs for trialing instead of having the odds (tiers) adjusted to be accommodated to.<br /> <br /> I've been trialing lower level TP (1k-2k) without teams up to Otis by viewing competition before entering rather than entering dogs first into trials.<br /> <br /> I do think an alternative activity for lower TP dogs and people who wish to enjoy customs/foundations could be created.<br /> <br /> There was an <a href="http://www.alacritysim.com/forums.php?boardid=9558&category=Suggest%20Something!&s=80&np=24">interesting suggestion in the suggestion forum</a> about dog racing.<br /> <br /> Instead of it being TP based, I think perhaps speed/drive + personality based?<br /> <br /> And rather than awarding cash, it charges a very minor entry fee and awards points to be cashed in a point store (similar to Halloween) in order to obtain items unique to the racing feature.<br /> <br /> These are just rough ideas, the actual balance would have to be worked out.<br /> <br /> It would allow users to develop upon existing dogs and allow equal footing for all dogs regardless of TP to participate. The items can be resold for cash, used/equipped, or put in an exchange x amount of points for x amount of Alacrity cash within reason option as well. At the very least it offers a fun alternative without having to handicap the trialing system. <br /> <br /> If catering to lower TP dogs strictly, entry fees would have to be requested to be lowered as well so that low TP dogs would always profit (which may be an inevitable suggestion) then there would be no profit in putting expenses into higher TP dogs or dog slots if everything can be worked on a much lower account set up for less expenses and more profit at a more casual rate.<br /> <br /> For new players, many are able to hire others to train their dogs for them, and the availability of the Pound Project (credit to Crevan) has made starting up as a beginner quite comfortable as long as they're pointed to those places. ^^<br /> <br /> Though these are strictly my own opinions.

01-21-2012 at 2:02 AM

"By adjusting trials so that high TP dogs trial against other high TP dogs" Translation "My dog isn't going to win, make the people who worked hard go away waaaaah"<br /> <br /> lets look at this from another angle, shall we?<br /> <br /> If your a beginner in drawing and enter your art in a contest, you'd expect your art to be judged with other pieces of the same skill level as yours, not something like a masterpice of michal angelo.<br /> <br /> same with trials, i've worked hard for my dogs, items and upgrades too, but i'd still like my dogs trialed against dogs of the same skill level.

01-21-2012 at 12:35 AM

"Nafia, so people who put real money into the sire should be punished now because a few people - which is what this is basically about - hoard their money? That is more than unfair."<br /> <br /> I feel its unfair to be blamed because I chose to save money instead of spending it on a ton of things. You have just as much of a chance to have decent cash but you spend it. I know you purchased that egg donation item, you could have easily saved it and sold it after this month along with anything else you chose to buy. We just have different gaming styles. I find there's not as many items I like enough to buy and hold on to. I'm not opposing any of these changes really to make it more fair. I will let the site do what they think but I just don't like how this comment sounds :/. <br /> <br /> They are just trying to come up with a system to bring everyone to a closer gaming level. I don't think they're trying to ruin the game. It seems though, that you always think your dogs should win when they don't have as good tp. The trials are whoever has the highest will win. Why should your 1k be worth the same as someone who got up to the cap? Capped dogs take longer to obtain, longer to train, more money invested. This is why I (and apparently others) think that it should be broken up by TP groupings.

01-21-2012 at 12:35 AM

There are always people who give out free stuff, and free training. There is the pound project. The newbie Raffle. We didn't have that when I started out. So the site adapted well enough I'd think. <br /> <br />

01-20-2012 at 11:06 PM

The only thing im seeing is the gimmy gimmy additude. <br /> <br /> You want to win, you think you should be handed a win on a silver platter. It dosn't work that way. Work for it. <br /> <br /> As for the Oh well they got the upgrades and items to get the high TP dogs so now there " just rake it in over newer players or those who can't afford to invest more into the site" yeah its not that way. Sorry i worked for what i have, my year long upgrade, didn't pay a dime for it, worked for it. My new trial dog worked for it payed 65K for it. <br /> <br /> "By adjusting trials so that high TP dogs trial against other high TP dogs" Translation "My dog isn't going to win, make the people who worked hard go away waaaaah"

01-20-2012 at 10:58 PM

If a dog has very high TP, it should be trialing against other dogs with similar TP -- not versus dogs with very low TP. Yes high TP dogs move through the ranks quickly, but there are ALWAYS high TP dogs moving through.<br /> <br /> From what I can see, it's veteran players, those who have been playing for a long time, or those who have real life cash available to spend on the site, who are able to more fully invest in very high TP dogs and all the items necessary to max them out. <br /> <br /> That is awesome. I fully support reaching a point in the game where you can afford the really expensive dogs and goodies.<br /> <br /> But what I don't see making sense is having a system that lets those players just rake it in over newer players or those who can't afford to invest more into the site -- which results in repercussions for everyone.<br /> <br /> By adjusting trials so that high TP dogs trial against other high TP dogs, its not punishing those users. It's forcing them to compete fairly against other dogs with similar TP instead of steamrolling lower TP dogs on their way up the ranks.<br /> <br />