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Co-Ownership/Dog Contracts

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This is essentially an idea so ALL breeders are finally able to sell their dogs. Since the new idea of "Once you sell it, it's their dog" has come about, good breeders are no longer able to even ASK a buyer not to breed a dog before its trained. What is everyone's response? "Get over it or don't sell your dogs." Not really fair, is it? I don't think so. What's the point in BREEDING your dogs if you can't SELL the puppies?! Now, you're thinking "Why not just retire them?" Oh, no! How could you?! Why would you retire such a good dog?! That's what happens when someone mentions retiring a dog.

Now our only two options as a "trainer" breeder are: Retire or KEEP all the puppies. Not such a bad idea if you only got one or two in a litter. Well, I get 4. Every time. Keep all four or let 2 or 3 be waisted? I'd rather be able to sell but since I can't even ask a buyer NOT to breed before the pup is maxed out, why should I? I don't trust most players with my lines anymore. EVERYONE wants one of Ameretat's new puppies, but I find it hard to trust anyone at this point. It's not fair that I can't sell a good dog without worrying about where it's going.

I suggest setting up a co-owning contract and a dog guideline contract so a good breeder can SELL their dogs without so much worry.
What do these contracts do? I'll explain:

Co-Ownership Contract: Under this contract, the dog is officially owned by 2 (two) players. Yep; both owners can train the dog as if it were in their kennel (the full 1.2-2 points or how ever many per TS click the player gets) and for the dog to breed, BOTH owners need to agree to the breeding. The owner that doesn't have the dog in their actual kennel can choose to accept or deny the breeding to a particular stud. This particular contract would be useful for kennel partners who breed their dogs together and would be working together a lot.

Dog Guidelines: This is an official contract that the buyer agrees to when purchasing a dog. There's several options a breeder can check the buyer to agree to when setting the dog up for sale or auction: Training amount, trailing amount, anti-retirement and breeding limits.
The training amount is the amount of training the dog has to be completed in before s/he can breed. This would stop players from buying dogs and breeding it before it's maxed and would be fair for the breeder.
The trialling amount is how many trials the dog has to ENTER (not win) before being able to breed or be retired. This is so the buyer actually USES the dog instead of breeds it and tosses it away once they have a ton of puppies.
The anti-retirement will give the buyer the option to return the dog to the contract owner before retiring! Hate seeing a dog retired as soon as it's been bought? This can help!
The breeding limit will warn a player when they're about to over breed their dog!
These agreements will NOT stop them, but a message on the page will say they're about to break their contract! They still can do what ever they want with the dog!!

How this will help:
When someone in real life breaks a contract, legal action is taken. A breeder in real life has the chance to take their dog back when a buyer breaks their contract. Now, the catch is, how will you know when the contract is being broken? You WON'T unless you keep track of your puppies! That way dogs aren't being snatched away left and right from an automated message about a contract infraction.
Is this really fair? YES! It is! You are in no way required to buy a dog under any contracts. Just like you aren't required to trial or train your dog before breeding it. You are neither required to put your dog under a contract before selling it!
This is just an option for good breeders who want to have a chance to sell a good dog

Before you say "No support!" back up your opinion on it!
This has worked on another sim and will work excellently here! And CODING doesn't seem to be a problem for our team!

Questions bound to crop up:
What if someone breaks the contract, breeds a bitch before she's maxed and the breeder takes her back?
The breeder gets her and the puppies. The buyer broke the contract, this is the punishment they'll face. No refund on the dog, the stud fee (If one was paid) and they don't get the puppies they wanted.

Why would someone put a trailling limit on their dog? Because some players will buy a dog and retire it once it's been bred. Kinda wasteful in the eyes of some players. Yes, I am one of them.

Can a dog be put under both contracts? Why, yes. It can :3 This will stop ALL unwanted behaviors on a dog. A breeder will know when a buyer was breaking the contract of breeding before maxing/trialling by getting the confirmation request for a breeding. At that point, the breeder can deny the request and take the dog back for contract infringement. It's perfectly fair because the buyer AGREED to follow the terms of the contract when they bought the dog.

Summary of the thread
Players are able to put a dog under a contract that a buyer is agreeing to upon purchase. If the contract is broken by the buyer, the breeder is able to take the dog back.
This will make the game fair to breeders of ALL sorts.

Supporters
Shinobu!
oddball1234

08-15-2012 at 5:17 PM

Aust, like I said; you don't HAVE to make a contract with this setup either :P

08-15-2012 at 5:06 PM

Shin, if you don't have fun, don't play. I don't agree. This game is based off of real life and you don't have to have a contract with a breeder when you buy a real puppy.

08-15-2012 at 4:54 PM

Kit, that's the problem. I can't have fun anymore. I'm told not to sell my pups or retire them. It's not fair. Players who breed for color are in no way required to use the contract nor is any other player. It's not required to follow a contract on a dog, just like its not required to put one on a dog or to train a dog or to trail it or breed it in the first place. This contract set up is just so I can sell my dogs and keep track of them. Many players would like the ability to be able to sell their dogs, but then there's someone who WON'T uphold to the guidelines that's listed on their page. Just because there's a contract on a dog, doesn't mean you can't do what you want. You can still breed it. You can still retire it. You can sell it again. It's just a contract that the breeder has the option to put in place on a dog. The buyer is still able to do what ever they want with a dog, but if the breeder sees the contract violation, they have the opportunity to take their hard work and effort back. Just like on the other sim, no one was required to use it, some players didn't use it. Those who did found it beyond useful and did use it regularly. This is so players like me can get beyond the "don't sell or get over it" mindset.

08-15-2012 at 4:46 PM

I'm not too big on this. I don't like how they have to trial the dog. I buy dogs, train, then breed. I only trial dogs that will bring me money or dogs that I'm doing a TP project on. And the fact that the dog and their puppies will be taken from them, and absolutely no refund, is just completely unfair. You can't take dogs from users unless they are breaking an actual Ala rule or something of the sorts. I'm also not too big on the breeding limit. There are some dogs I've bought that have the most gorgeous coats, and I breed them a lot because they produce beautiful puppies. And I don't want that to end. I've even immortalized some dogs I've purchased because I love them, and they serve me well breeding/trialing-wise. The only part I can understand and accept is the max before you breed part. I'm not trying to come off rude here, and I'm sorry if I do, but I don't really want this on Ala. :S So all in all, I'm not supporting.

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2012-08-15 13:47:50 by #16934

08-15-2012 at 4:43 PM

I think what we have lost sight of here is that there is no 'correct' way to play the game. There's no rule that says dogs shouldn't be trialed before they're maxed. There's no rule that says a player can't breed for coat or breed for 0TP dogs if that's what they want. It is up to each of us to choose how we would like to play the game and I am not comfortable with limiting the freedom of my fellow users any more than is absolutely necessary for the survival of the community as a whole. There is nothing keeping users from entering into friendly deals with one another where one asks or promises that things be a certain way - but how can we honestly, when we look at it objectively and without our personal bias, not see the danger in a system where we determine that one party's idea is the 'right' way to play and all others must line up or be forced into a secondary class where only certain options are available to them? I think, at the point we're worried more about controlling the other guy than having fun ourselves, we lose what gave this community its original value. Do not support.

08-15-2012 at 4:41 PM

Support. Over the last two years, I've become overwhelm with the amount of dogs I've sold and then trying to keep track of them. I can't sell some of the dogs I used to have because I knew they'd either be bred to death, or retried just to make some profit. I do think that this should be all placed within a perk. This could be used if the entire population of ala decides to use this, so I think it'd be great if this was reserved solely to those who will pay extra for it. It could be called a "contract perk" adn gives the abilities you posted.

08-15-2012 at 4:39 PM

I support. A good amount of my dogs with my tags are retired. It makes me so angry!

08-15-2012 at 4:35 PM

I'll support! I hate selling pups anymore because people just don't care about it. Whether its my dog or not isn't the point, the point is that you're buying the dog with an agreement!

08-15-2012 at 4:34 PM

Support!! :)! I think it's a great idea I don't like it when someone breeds dogs un-maxed!.

08-15-2012 at 4:34 PM

I think this would be pretty difficult to realize. Yet I support it 100%! I saw my dogs being bred before maxed so many times. As I don't have any own lines anymore since I sold my main account with most of my best dogs it's less of a problem for me, but in my opinion this would be freakin amazing, because even now when I breed my dogs and sell the pups I don't have to worry they will crowd the market with low-Tp-pups! (btw. I also breed all dogs maxed, and ONLY from clean and short lines!)

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2012-08-15 13:35:48 by #10716

08-15-2012 at 4:32 PM

i agree to this. I am tierd of selling pups and so much stuff happens to them. severl times i have checked up on dogs to find them breed unmaed and then the dog is for sale right after the litter is born. I work so hard to max my dogs to breed pretty pups with nice TP.Cureently with my custom i keep a pup a retire the littl. that way their line dosn't end up on every line out there.

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