Creation Vs. Evolution
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So which do you believe in? Why? And can you back up your claim?
I may poke my nose into this debate later. ^^
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July (#2606)
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01-14-2011 at 1:49 PM
I believe in creation all the way. c: This year I'm taking biology, and no matter which angle you look a things in nature, they always work out so perfectly. Nature can't just throw up random stuff and expect it all to turn out well. <br /><br />Also, humans aren't the same as monkeys or any other animal. Physically, they may be similar, but somewhere along the line, there's a distinction. Humans have thoughts and feelings and language. How can you explain this? Sure, some animals do have very primitive forms of this, but they do not experience it nearly as vividly as we do. Humans have souls, animal don't.<br /><br />And everyone, there is no proof to creation, you just have to trust in it. Hence the term faith. :D<br /><br />
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 8:06 AM
i am not saying evolushion has not been tested i believe IN eveloushion. we are debateing right now the topic of the big bang "theory" and weather or not it should be called a Theory or a Working Hypothesis
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 8:03 AM
ok the way i see it yes there is a God, but i dont think its a God that is always there and pokeing his nose into things constently not the big brother looking over your shoulder deal everyone seems to say exsists. Why do i believe there is a God, well its quite simple 1 degree one way or the other there would be no us, no "life" on this planet after the big bang.<br /><br />Page 4 3rd post from the top
Ly {Bisexual and genderqueer~} (#1853)
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01-14-2011 at 8:02 AM
I've read every single post of yours. Don't imply that I haven't. I was replying to that one post alone.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 8:01 AM
Okay im going to copy and PAST what i alredy said 4 times before because no one seems to back read.
Ly {Bisexual and genderqueer~} (#1853)
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01-14-2011 at 8:01 AM
Wait, are you suggesting that evolution has not been tested? Then where did we get all of our information on it, out of thin air? It's been tested and tested and tested, which is why it's a theory, not a hypothesis.
jive (#4772)
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01-14-2011 at 7:54 AM
It qualifies as a theory.<br /><br />Evolutionary theory <i>has </i>been tested, and quite a bit! Darwin's work in the Galapagos, for one, was incredibly extensive yet only touched the tip of what scientists since have been able to discover by expanding on his ideas and hypotheses.<br /><br /><i>The word theory, when used by scientists, refers to an explanation of reality that has been thoroughly tested so that most scientists agree on it. It can be changed if new information is found. Theory is different from a working hypothesis, which is a theory that hasn't been fully tested; that is, a hypothesis is an unproven theory.</i> (from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory">here</a>)<br /><br />The general consensus of the scientific community is that evolution is scientifically sound, and - even if unprovable - proven to the extent any reasonable person can expect. Therefore, it is a theory, not a working hypothesis.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 7:29 AM
yes and i believe in both evolushion AND god. But i think they should still look into changeing it from Theory, to what it acculy is a Working Hypothesis. When people think Theory they think proven, its not proven, its not tested, it tends to confuse a lot of people. Just tell it like it is a Educated Guess, nothing more nothing less.
jive (#4772)
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01-14-2011 at 7:18 AM
Well, it's...as proven as a scientific theory can be. No one calls it Darwin's Fact of Evolution. It's Darwin's Theory of Evolution. That should be sufficient.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 7:11 AM
i agree with part of that statement, but i also believe that do to the fact that they CANT test the "theory" it should be deemed as it is a hypothesis, a working hypothesis but its still a hypothesis a Educated Guess. NOT to be taken as pure fact.
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2011-01-13 20:12:23 by #8362
jive (#4772)
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01-14-2011 at 7:05 AM
I just have to stick my nose in, here...the only reason it's referred to as a hypothesis is that it is technically impossible to prove, without any sliver of doubt, something as complex and time-spanning as evolutionary theories. It doesn't dampen its credibility in any way; it's just arguing semantics for lack of anything else to debate.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 6:12 AM
there is no aditude its a fact, its stated in science books. if it comes off as my having a additude its the way you are reading it.
Nitrous (#9181)
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01-14-2011 at 6:09 AM
Please drop the attitude, it's really not necessary.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 6:08 AM
The word theory, when used by scientists, refers to an explanation of reality that has been thoroughly tested so that most scientists agree on it. It can be changed if new information is found. Theory is different from a working hypothesis, which is a theory that hasn't been fully tested; that is, a hypothesis is an unproven theory.<br /><br />try and read the WHOLE definishion<br><br>
A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις; plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon. The term derives from the Greek, ὑποτιθÎναι – hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis.
A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις; plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon. The term derives from the Greek, ὑποτιθÎναι – hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis.
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2011-01-13 19:10:25 by #8362
Nitrous (#9181)
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01-14-2011 at 6:07 AM
Educated Guess = Hypothesis.<br /><br />Theory = Hypothesis widely regarded as fact.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 5:59 AM
"Big bang IS a theory"
No the big bang theory is a Educated Guess they cant recreate it they can't. please read the definashions. and as for not haveing any proof where is the proof of where the matter came eather so lets throw that out the windo until science can PROVE where it came from making your statement wrong as well.
No the big bang theory is a Educated Guess they cant recreate it they can't. please read the definashions. and as for not haveing any proof where is the proof of where the matter came eather so lets throw that out the windo until science can PROVE where it came from making your statement wrong as well.
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2011-01-13 19:00:40 by #8362
Nitrous (#9181)
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01-14-2011 at 5:55 AM
You don't have to. You argument simply doesn't stack up as well as Evolution does. That's not your fault. It's just that the bible has nearly no evidence to support it (actually..no evidence, really) and evolution/big bang does. <br /><br />There's nothing to suggest that a giant bearded man is up in the sky making decisions. Where as the big bang IS a theory because it's widely accepted as being true.
Jambers (#8362)
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01-14-2011 at 5:51 AM
i never said the bible was fact as a matter of fact i have stated my ideas on the bible SEVERAL times. go back and read. i will not repet myself again.
Nitrous (#9181)
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01-14-2011 at 5:48 AM
Which would make the bible an uneducated guess, not a fact?
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01-14-2011 at 5:46 AM
Sorry. Hit the back button by accident.
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2011-01-13 18:50:38 by #9181