06-4-2011 at 10:17 AM

Thease are surgical procedures and do have risks involved. Includeing (in bad bad cases) death from a alergic reaction to amenisha, and infection (if not saught help for when emedently noticed)

06-4-2011 at 10:04 AM

No, I was talking about vasectomies, not getting your tubes tied. Sorry for the confusion there, but I didn't think there would be any.<br /> <br /> Obviously this is Cervine, but I'm on my phone and my backup account is easier to log in to.

06-4-2011 at 9:16 AM

Plus, I've actually heard of those being performed wrong and failing. And it is reversable, but again, that can fail as well.<br /> <br /> Most where woman getting there tubes tied parts are not reversable now. the tubes are cut in half then stiched at ends. (trust me i know this mine are tied) Also they tell you when you go in for that type of procedure NOT to expect it to be reverced.

06-4-2011 at 9:09 AM

Are you talking about a vasectomy, Merideth? But that process is you know, an actual process. And every teenage boy isn't going to have one just to have sex. Plus, I've actually heard of those being performed wrong and failing. And it is reversable, but again, that can fail as well. I think people should just stick with the pill and there are children here!s unless they know for sure that they don't want kids. (Like me. Men can get vasectomies and women can get their tubes tied to prevent pregnancy, but those procedures are different discussions.)

06-4-2011 at 8:49 AM

06-4-2011 at 8:48 AM

i can't help but smile when i read things like there are children here. so it makes me wonder, are there rules that disable us from saying things like sex orwhoa there, or are you just self conscious?

06-4-2011 at 8:45 AM

people please, lets stay on topic of abortion don't be pointing out bad grammar or spelling. i apologize that happened to you Jambers. but keep in mind, i think being a mother is a learning experience. certain ignorant women would benefit caring for achild. think of how much a mother learns. i love what you said though, that abortions would be Drastically reduced if people took sex more seriously and didn't do it as carefreely, and were educated. i like the idea of,,, um whats it called....where a male can go and have a reversable procedure done where they can't get a woman pregnant. and lastly, Guilty or Innocent, people should take full responsibility for their actions in Most cases. (gray areas exist of course)

06-4-2011 at 8:45 AM

old false methods such as the pull out method because they weren't taught safe sex education. Which isn't their fault, obviously.<br /> <br /> No i think the school should teach them the of safe sex intirllay, with the pointing out that absitenence is the only 100% safe way. <br /> <br /> I know a few have heard this before but my mom decided to pull my sister and myself out of our sex education classes in school. She then (a little wile later) found out you could go to the councilor and ask for a there are children here! (wow that things getting anoying isnt it?) She fought that tooth and nail till that was pulled out of the school. <br /> <br /> What happend? Well my sister went stupid and got pregnet her sinor year of high school because...she and her boyfriend (now husbend) didn't have a there are children here!. <br /> <br /> Oh the irony....<br /> <br /> My personal vew, there should be a basket in the corner of the councilors office where students can go in and simply get one without having to ask or having the councilor pester them on the choice there making, because being safe is always the right choice.

06-4-2011 at 8:35 AM

If someone doest think they cant get pregnet from having sex i dont believe there at the maturity level to be haveing sex in the first place. <br /> <br /> Good point, but that doesn't mean that they won't. Which again, I would not someone like that raising a child.<br /> <br /> I know that protection is very good at protecting, but what I'm trying to say is that it's not perfect. Especially there are children here!s. there are children here!s can break. And then, with more school teaching absitenence than safe sex, a lot of teens will believe those old false methods such as the pull out method because they weren't taught safe sex education. Which isn't their fault, obviously.

06-4-2011 at 8:21 AM

It's not just unprotected relations that get woman pregnant... There's forced as well.<br /> <br /> i believe we alredy covered forced. <br /> <br /> if someone doesn't think that they might get pregnant from having unprotected sex, I honestly don't think I would want them making decisions for a child.<br /> <br /> If someone doest think they cant get pregnet from having sex i dont believe there at the maturity level to be haveing sex in the first place. <br /> <br /> Well, here's the thing. Protection can fail.<br /> <br /> protection can fail but it is rair. they have a 99.9% protection rate on the pill (dont mix in other drugs without talking to your doctor) there are children here!es i believe are high up there too.<br /> <br /> It would defently decrease the amount of aborshions wanted considerably. <br /> <br /> I don't know about you, but I sure like to be accurate in terms, spelling and grammar altogether.<br /> <br /> yes my spelling is bad, thats for pointing that out again in this forum, like every other forum youve pointed it out on.

06-4-2011 at 8:20 AM

what i don't think many of you know, is that yes, at the beginning, the fetus is soulless, because it has no emotions or no feelings. But. after a certain (i forget how much to be honest) the fetus does grow a soul. not opinion, science. after a certain time, it attaches to its mother, knows that its with its mother, and doesnt reject, but Embraces it. wants to be with the mother. developes certain senses, and enjoys certain things, like the sound of the mothers voice. so an early term fetus has no soul, but in later, it developes sense and likes and dislikes and cares. so beginning fetuses, have no soul. older fetuses, are developed enough to have a soul. i just wanted to make sure that you understood that just because it was fetus and can't survive outside the womb, it can still have a soul. some drs still allow abortions even at that point, when the fetus can hear amoung other abilities.

06-4-2011 at 7:23 AM

It's not just unprotected relations that get woman pregnant... There's forced as well.<br /> <br /> Personally I wouldn't want a child I know didn't come from someone I didn't share a connection with. The mental scars left on a woman after something like that happens is very debilitating, she will most likely be in no acceptable mental state to have and care for that child unless she was a very strong woman, sadly these are not the types of woman men attack.<br /> <br /> I'm pro-choice, if it was due to protection failing I know personally I would most likely keep the child as my relationship has never gone that deep with anyone and that boy/man better be that committed and care enough about me if we're doing something of that nature. I'm not very easy to get to at all.<br /> <br /> But humans are selfish things as well. If my 'man' left me because of failing protection, darn right I'd consider it if the pregnancy wasn't too far along unless I know I was stable enough to care for the child. I will never bring a kid up like my mother did, meaning I better have a fairly nice job and a house. Which I very well plan to anyway.<br /> <br /> Kids need to be prepared for, and if a woman isn't prepared for the child(by either being too young or a bad situation) or hasn't found adoptive parents for the child before it is born then I say let her make the choice. It's great if she picks to have the kid, but she shouldn't be frowned upon if she picks the other one. She'll most likely be going through an already tough time as it is, she doesn't need anymore crap from other people.

06-4-2011 at 7:02 AM

On that point we can definitely agree, Jamb. &lt;3

06-4-2011 at 6:59 AM

Well, here's the thing. Protection can fail. You can take several precautions against getting pregnant, but still get pregnant. Does that mean they were irresponsible and should be forced to have the child? No. They should have the decision to give birth or abort the fetus. And really, if someone doesn't think that they might get pregnant from having unprotected sex, I honestly don't think I would want them making decisions for a child.<br /> <br /> Also, I'm just saying, I hate the argument where people say be glad your mom was pro-life or whatever. Especially cause my mom is pro-choice. And I've seen a lot of people think that if someone is a parent they can't be pro-choice, which is completely false. As well as the whole how would you feel if you had been aborted argument. Cause I wouldn't feel, because my mind and emotions would never have come into existence and I wouldn't be here to have this argument, but someone else would. No one would miss me because I wouldn't have been born. So, the argument is kind of flawed.

06-4-2011 at 6:43 AM

If you actually look at what happens to most children born to teenagers or even adults who didn't plan for them or want them, your opinion might change.<br /> <br /> My aunt was rased by the state. She lived her life going from one foster family to another, yet she wouldnt have chosen death over it. <br /> <br /> Lets put this in simple terms. If you dont want a child, are not ready to have a child, dont have unprotected rlashions with a member of the oppiset sex.

06-4-2011 at 6:28 AM

If one looks at the science of how a sperm and egg form into a fetus, and the fetal blob develops, one will realize that a fetus in its early stages is in no way self-aware, and doesn't even have enough semblance of a brain to have much function whatsoever. It doesn't think or feel, it simply exists and grows until such time that the brain has fully developed (as much as a brain in-utero can develop, not counting the continued growth after birth) and it gains sentience.<br /> <br /> It's because of this that I have no qualms with abortion so long as it takes place within the timeframe where that fetus can not think or feel (both emotionally and physically). Partial-birth abortions, however, really bother me, and as far as I know clinics are no longer allowed to perform them, though I may be wrong.<br /> <br /> Bottom line, we are overpopulated as it is. Too many people wind up pregnant who are in no way mature enough to raise a child, and the foster care system has so many flaws and real dangers that I would never want any child to have to go through it. Terminating a pregnancy before the fetus is even capable of a single thought is, to me, a far better option than to give it up to foster care where that boy or girl is likely to suffer abuse, as well as emotional trauma. If you actually look at what happens to most children born to teenagers or even adults who didn't plan for them or want them, your opinion might change.<br /> <br /> Of course, if a person has allowed the pregnancy to go on so long that the fetus has developed enough that it has a brain and its nervous system is developed so that it is capable of thinking and feeling, then I feel that person should do absolutely everything in their power to find an adoptive family, instead of leaving it to the foster system to handle. There are plenty would-be mothers and fathers out there who can't conceive their own children.<br /> <br /> And, as Cervine said, making abortion illegal will not stop abortion. It will just force the people who want/need them to travel elsewhere to have them done, or go to shady people who don't have the resources to perform it cleanly and efficiently with little to no damage to the girl or woman. You'd only be putting more lives at risk.

06-4-2011 at 6:25 AM

The scientific term is still a fetus. I'm not talking about the common term or what you like to call it, the correct, fully scientific term is fetus or human fetus. Not human being or child, fetus. And I like to try and be scientifically accurate during debates. I don't know about you, but I sure like to be accurate in terms, spelling and grammar altogether.<br /> <br /> And I must say, once again, this is off-topic and I think we should refocus here.

06-4-2011 at 6:21 AM

I'm talking about a fetus, not a child.<br /> <br /> I'm sorry, see in my book there the same thing. I don't know about the rest of the human race, but when a "fetus" is brought to turm its a child. I don't think i've seen where a woman gave birth to kittens, or pigs.

06-4-2011 at 6:11 AM

I'm talking about a fetus, not a child. And I am stating that they act like one. They live off the host's body and nutrients and fit the basic definition of an internal parasite.<br /> <br /> But defining how a fetus does or does not fit the title of parasite has nothing to do with abortion and is therefore off-topic, and therefore I think we should refocus on the actual debate at hand.

06-4-2011 at 5:58 AM

Although I'm more likely to refer to them by the term parasite then thing considering they act in very parasitic ways.<br /> <br /> wow okay its a Child NOT a parasite.